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Self-Employed: How To Apply For A Payroll Protection Program PPP Loan

Self-Employed: How To Apply For A Payroll Protection Program PPP Loan

Self-Employed: How To Apply For A Payroll Protection Program PPP Loan

Updated January 9, 2021 to include PPP loans made available under the stimulus bill passed December 27, 2021. Read about these new PPP loans here. This article has been updated to include recent guidance from the SBA.

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One of the more confusing aspects of the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) is how to apply for a PPP loan if you are self-employed, including if you are a 1099 contractor.

At Nav, we’ve received numerous questions from those who want to apply but aren’t sure how to calculate the loan amount for which they are eligible or the amount they may be able to have forgiven. They’ve asked us questions like:

  • How do I calculate my payroll or salary if I am self-employed? 
  • Can I include health insurance premiums I pay myself? 
  • What expenses may be included in the forgiven amount?
  • What if I have not filed my tax returns? 
  • If I had a loss in my business do I qualify? 

On April 14, 2020 the SBA issued guidance for those who are self-employed and file a Form 1040, Schedule C, in the form of an update to the Interim Final Rule. On January 6, 2021 the SBA released new interim final rules for new first draw and second draw loans. We have excerpted the main points below to help you understand how to apply for PPP if you are self-employed. However, this article does not include the full text of this guidance.

We encourage you to review the SBA interim final rule for self-employed applicants carefully and discuss it with your tax professional, attorney, or financial advisor before you apply to clarify how it applies to your business. 

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How To Calculate PPP Loan Amount If You Are Self Employed

The information in this article applies to those who are self-employed and who file a Form 1040, Schedule C. As a reminder the SBA states you may be eligible for a PPP loan if: 

  • You were in operation on February 15, 2020; 
  • You are an individual with self-employment income (such as an independent contractor or a sole proprietor); 
  • Your principal place of residence is in the United States; and  
  • You filed or will file a Form 1040 Schedule C for 2019 or 2020.

For these applicants, the SBA provides separate calculations based on whether or not you have employees. (Also keep in mind the SBA has already issued guidance that if your business uses 1099-contractors in your business you do not include them in your PPP payroll calculations.)

Also note that whether or not you have employees, you may add the outstanding amount of any EIDL loan – not grant – made between January 31, 2020 and April 3, 2020 (not 2021!) that you seek to refinance. This applies to very few borrowers as few EIDL loans were made during that time.

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If You Have No Employees

If you are self-employed and have no employees, the SBA provides the following instructions in the guidance provided January 6, 2021 for new PPP loan borrowers: 

Step 1: Find your 2019 or 2020 IRS Form 1040 Schedule C line 31 net profit amount (if you are using 2020 to calculate payroll costs and have not yet filed a 2020 return, fill it out and compute the value). If this amount is over $100,000, reduce it to $100,000. If this amount is zero or less, you are not eligible for a PPP loan.

Step 2: Calculate the average monthly net profit amount (divide the amount from Step 1 by 12).

Step 3: Multiply the average monthly net profit amount from Step 2 by 2.5

This is the amount most self employed borrowers with no employees will use to qualify for a first-time PPP loan.

How to Substantiate Your Income (Self-Employed No Employees)

You must provide the 2019 or 2020 (whichever you used to calculate loan amount) Form 1040 Schedule C with your PPP loan application to substantiate the amount for which you applied. You must also include a 2019 or 2020 (whichever you used to calculate loan amount) IRS Form 1099-MISC detailing non-employee compensation received (box 7), invoice, bank statement, or book of record that establishes you are self-employed. If using 2020 to calculate loan amount, this is required regardless of whether you have filed a 2020 tax return with the IRS. You must provide a 2020 invoice, bank statement, or book of record to establish you were in operation on or around February 15, 2020.

If You Have Employees

If you have employees, the SBA provides the following instructions: 

Step 1: Compute 2019 or 2020 payroll (using the same year for all items) by adding the following:

a. Your 2019 or 2020 Form 1040 Schedule C line 31 net profit amount (if you are using 2020 and have not yet filed a 2020 return, fill it out and compute the value), up to $100,000 on an annualized basis, as prorated for the period during which the payments are made or the obligation to make the payments is incurred, if this amount is over $100,000, reduce it to $100,000, if this amount is less than zero, set this amount at zero;

b. 2019 or 2020 gross wages and tips paid to your employees whose principal place of residence is in the United States computed using 2019 or 2020 IRS Form 941 Taxable Medicare wages & tips (line 5c- column 1) from each quarter plus any pre-tax employee contributions for health insurance or other fringe benefits excluded from Taxable Medicare wages & tips; subtract any amounts paid to any individual employee in excess of $100,000 on an annualized basis, as prorated for the period during which the payments are made or the obligation to make the payments is incurred and any amounts paid to any employee whose principal place of residence is outside the United States; and

c. 2019 or 2020 employer contributions to employee group health, life, disability, vision and dental insurance (portion of IRS Form 1040 Schedule C line 14 attributable to those contributions); retirement contributions (Form 1040 Schedule C line 19), and state and local taxes assessed on employee compensation (primarily under state laws commonly referred to as the State Unemployment Tax Act or SUTA from state quarterly wage reporting forms). 

Step 2: Calculate the average monthly amount (divide the amount from Step 1 by 12).

Step 3: Multiply the average monthly amount from Step 2 by 2.5.: Calculate the average monthly amount by dividing the amount from Step 1 by 12. 

Step 3: Multiply the average monthly amount from Step 2 by 2.5. 

How to Substantiate Your Income  (Self-Employed With Employees)

You must supply your 2019 or 2020 (whichever you used to calculate loan amount) Form 1040 Schedule C, Form 941 (or other tax forms or equivalent payroll processor records containing similar information) and state quarterly wage unemployment insurance tax reporting forms from each quarter in 2019 or 2020 (whichever you used to calculate loan amount) or equivalent payroll processor records, along with evidence of any retirement and health insurance contributions, if applicable. A payroll statement or similar documentation from the pay period that covered February 15, 2020 must be provided to establish you were in operation on February 15, 2020.

If you use a payroll processing service ask them for a CARES Act report. It should include that information.

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If You are a Partner In a Partnership

The SBA clarifies that while partnerships are eligible for PPP loans, a partner in a partnership may not submit a separate PPP loan application for themselves as a self employed individual. The following methodology should be used to calculate the maximum amount that partnerships can borrow:

Step 1: Compute 2019 or 2020 payroll (using the same year for all items) by adding

(1) net earnings from self-employment of individual general partners in 2019 or 2020, as reported on IRS Form 1065 K-1, reduced by section 179 expense deduction claimed, unreimbursed partnership expenses claimed, and depletion claimed on oil and gas properties, multiplied by 0.9235, 57 that is not more than $100,000 per partner;

(2) 2019 or 2020 gross wages and tips paid to your employees whose principal place of residence is in the United States, if any, which can be computed using 2019 or 2020 IRS Form 941 Taxable Medicare wages and tips (line 5c-column 1) from each quarter plus any pre-tax employee contributions for health insurance or other fringe benefits excluded from Taxable Medicare wages and tips, subtracting any amounts paid to any individual employee in excess of $100,000 and any amounts paid to any employee whose principal place of residence is outside the U.S;

(3) 2019 or 2020 employer contributions for employee group health, life, disability, vision and dental insurance, if any (portion of IRS Form 1065 line 19 attributable to those contributions);

(4) 2019 or 2020 employer contributions to employee retirement plans, if any (IRS Form 1065 line 18); and

(5) 2019 or 2020 employer state and local taxes assessed on employee compensation, primarily state unemployment insurance tax (from state quarterly wage reporting forms), if any.

Step 2: Calculate the average monthly payroll costs (divide the amount from Step1 by 12).

Step 3: Multiply the average monthly payroll costs from Step 2 by 2.5.

How to Substantiate Your Income (Partnership)

You must supply 2019 or 2020 (whichever you used to calculate loan amount) IRS Form 1065 (including K-1s) and other relevant supporting documentation if the partnership has employees, including the 2019 or 2020 (whichever you used to calculate loan amount) IRS Form 941 and state quarterly wage unemployment insurance tax reporting form from each quarter (or equivalent payroll processor records or IRS Wage and Tax Statements) along with records of any retirement or health insurance contributions.

If the partnership has employees, a payroll statement or similar documentation from the pay period that covered February 15, 2020 must be provided to establish the partnership was in operation and had employees on that date. If the partnership has no employees, an invoice, bank statement, or book of record establishing the partnership was in operation on February 15, 2020 must instead be provided

Second Draw PPP Loans

The stimulus legislation created second draw PPP loans for those who:

  • Previously received a first draw PPP Loan and will or has used the full amount only for authorized uses;
  • Has no more than 300 employees; and 
  • Can demonstrate at least a 25% reduction in gross receipts between comparable quarters in 2019 and 2020.

More information about qualifying for a second draw PPP loan can be found here.

The calculation for second draw loans is similar to first draw loans with one exception: if your business has a NAICS code beginning in 72 (which is generally food service and accommodations businesses) you may qualify for a loan of 3.5 times average monthly payroll. Other businesses will qualify based on 2.5 times average monthly payroll as before.

What If I Have Not Filed my 2020 Tax Return for My Business?

The SBA does not state that you must file your 2020 tax return before you apply. However it does state you must complete it as you will be relying on that information to apply for the loan. You should make sure it is accurate and complete. 

What If My Business Showed a Loss? 

You may use either 2019 or 2020 net profit to qualify. If the amount on your 2019 and 2020 Form 1040 Schedules C show a loss, and you have no employees, your business will not qualify for PPP. If your business has employees for which you paid payroll, you may qualify based on employee payroll even if your business showed a loss. 

What Expenses Can I Use My PPP Loan For? 

The SBA has established some very specific guidance regarding the use of PPP loan proceeds for those with income from self-employment who file a Form 1040, Schedule C. 

These loan proceeds may be used for the following purposes. 

  • Owner compensation replacement, calculated based on 2019 or 2020 net profit. 
  • Employee payroll costs (as defined in the First PPP Interim Final Rule) for employees whose principal place of residence is in the United States, if you have employees. 
  • Mortgage interest payments* (but not mortgage prepayments or principal payments) on any business mortgage obligation on real or personal property (e.g., the interest on your mortgage for the warehouse you purchased to store business equipment or the interest on an auto loan for a vehicle you use to perform your business), 
  • Business rent payments* (e.g., the warehouse where you store business equipment or the vehicle you use to perform your business), and
  • Business utility payments* (e.g., the cost of electricity in the warehouse you rent or gas you use driving your business vehicle). 
  • Interest payments on any other debt obligations that were incurred before February 15, 2020 (such amounts are not eligible for PPP loan forgiveness). 
  • Refinancing an SBA EIDL loan made between January 31, 2020 and April 3, 2020 (maturity will be reset to PPP’s maturity of two years). If you received an SBA EIDL loan from January 31, 2020 through April 3, 2020, you can apply for a PPP loan. If your EIDL loan was not used for payroll costs, it does not affect your eligibility for a PPP loan. If your EIDL loan was used for payroll costs, your PPP loan must be used to refinance your EIDL loan. Proceeds from any advance up to $10,000 on the EIDL loan will be deducted from the loan forgiveness amount on the PPP loan. 
  • The stimulus legislation created a new category of covered expenses that may be included in non-payroll costs. We detailed those in this article about the new PPP loans. These expanded expense categories apply to anyone with a PPP loan that has not yet been forgiven, even if you received it in 2020.

*Note that the SBA specifically says: “You must have claimed or be entitled to claim a deduction for such expenses on your 2019 Form 1040 Schedule C for them to be a permissible use during the eight-week period following the first disbursement of the loan. (Editor’s note: The 8 weeks immediately after disbursement of the loan is the “covered period.”) For example, if you did not claim or are not entitled to claim utilities expenses on your 2019 Form 1040 Schedule C, you cannot use the proceeds for utilities during the covered period.”

Also note that the SBA requires that at least 60 percent of the PPP loan proceeds shall be used for payroll costs to qualify for full forgiveness. 

What Amounts Shall Be Eligible for Forgiveness? 

The original CARES Act offered business owners the ability to qualify for forgiveness if they spent funds on certain expenses during the covered period. Originally that “covered period” was eight weeks after receiving the loan. The PPP Flexibility Act extended that time period to 8 or 24 weeks. The latest stimulus bill allows business owners to choose a time period of between 8 and 24 weeks after the loan is made. 

The main purpose of the Paycheck Protection Program is to help employers maintain payroll. (That may include your income as the owner of the business.) Therefore, if you want the loan forgiven, the bulk of the loan must be used toward payroll. Originally that was 75% but it was later reduced to 60% which is where it stands today.

Note that as a self-employed individual with no employees you may be able to qualify for full forgiveness by using the entire amount on own compensation replacement (payroll) as appropriate.

If you qualify, you may be eligible to have the entire loan amount plus accrued interest forgiven. 

But how much is forgiven will depend on the total amount spent over the covered period on the following, according to the SBA: 

  • Payroll costs including salary, wages, and tips, up to $100,000 of annualized pay per employee, 
  • Covered benefits for employees (but not owners), including health care expenses, retirement contributions, and state taxes imposed on employee payroll paid by the employer (such as unemployment insurance premiums); 
  • Owner compensation replacement, calculated based on 2019 net profit with forgiveness of such amounts limited to eight weeks’ worth (8 divided by 52) of 2019 net profit, excluding any qualified sick leave equivalent amount for which a credit is claimed under section 7002 of the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA) (Public Law 116-127) or qualified family leave equivalent amount for which a credit is claimed under section 7004 of FFCRA. 
  • Payments of interest on mortgage obligations on real or personal property incurred before February 15, 2020, to the extent they are deductible on Form 1040 Schedule C (business mortgage payments); 
  • Rent payments on lease agreements in force before February 15, 2020, to the extent they are deductible on Form 1040 Schedule C (business rent payments); and. 
  • Utility payments under service agreements dated before February 15, 2020 to the extent they are deductible on Form 1040 Schedule C (business utility payments). 
  • A new category of covered expenses described in this article.

How to Document Forgiveness

When it comes time to apply for forgiveness of the PPP loan as a self-employed individual, the SBA says you can use the following information as documentation: 

The 2019 or 2020 Form 1040 Schedule C that was provided at the time of the PPP loan application must be used to determine the amount of net profit allocated to the owner for the covered period. 

If you have employees, you should submit Form 941 and state quarterly wage unemployment insurance tax reporting forms or equivalent payroll processor records that best correspond to the covered period (with evidence of any retirement and health insurance contributions). 

Whether or not you have employees, you must submit evidence of business rent, business mortgage interest payments on real or personal property, or business utility payments or other eligible covered expenses during the covered period if you used loan proceeds for those purposes. 

The Bottom Line on Applying for PPP When Self-Employed

It will be a lot easier to apply for PPP as someone who is self employed if you are current on your bookkeeping and have kept good records of the income and expenses of your business. If you have operated your business with cash payments that you did not report to the IRS, co-mingled personal and business funds, or if you have maximized expenses to the point where your business only shows a loss, you are likely not going to be able to qualify for the PPP loan your business may have been entitled to otherwise. Your accounting professional can prove invaluable in this process so make sure you enlist their help in determining which COVID relief programs are best for your business.

This article was originally written on April 14, 2020 and updated on January 26, 2021.

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Gerri Detweiler

Education Director for Nav

Credit expert Gerri Detweiler is Education Director for Nav. She has more than three decades of experience in consumer credit education, has been interviewed in more than 3500 news stories, and answered over 10,000 credit questions online. Her articles have been widely syndicated on sites such as MSN, Forbes, and MarketWatch. She is the author or coauthor of five books, including Finance Your Own Business: Get on the Financing Fast Track. She has testified before Congress on consumer credit legislation.

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171 responses to “Self-Employed: How To Apply For A Payroll Protection Program PPP Loan

  1. I am a I sole proprietor tax preparer with no employees. We are seasonal making most of our money feb to April. How do I calculate my loan amount as my schedule c is for 12 months? But as seasonal should not I be able to use an 8 week period?

  2. I have just applied for my first PPP and was told I am not a candidate because I don’t have a business account. I have had for 15 years two separate accounts at Citizens Bank, one for the office and one for personal. They tell me I had to apply for a business account by 12/1/20 before we had PPP2 I’ve had a small massage therapy business specializing in senior clientele. With Covid, they are smart to remain home for now. Is there any company financing those of us with valid small businesses but no ‘business account? Thank you

    1. I’m sorry the way the comments dashboard works I can’t see what you’re responding to. All the guidance mentions 1099-MISC but I don’t see where it should be a difference since 1099 NEC since it reports independent contractor income.

  3. My gross receipts total for 2020 Q2 was less than 75% of 2019 Q2, so I qualify for a second PPP draw. But for the year, my total net profit for 2020 was actually more than 2019 (although I obviously haven’t prepared or filed my Schedule C for 2020 yet). The loan amount is based on net profit for 2019 or 2020, whichever is greater.

    It just seems bizarre that my net profit was HIGHER in 2020 than in 2019, yet I qualify for a second PPP draw because of ONE bad quarter. Do I really qualify? And should I really use my 2020 net profit to calculate the loan amount, even though it was higher than 2019 (which was the basis for my first draw)?

    1. That’s the way it is set up. I think Congress recognized different businesses were affected at different times. You are given the option of 2019 or 2020 so you may choose the one that works best for you.

  4. I started contractor work in June 2019 and showed a profit in Schedule C. My service in 2019 was “as requested” so my 1099 only reflected 4 months of billing (June – September), I did have full year of contractor work in 2020. So when I apply for PPP based on my 2019 Schedule C, can I arrive at monthly payroll figure by dividing Schedule C profit by 4 (actual months of income), or by 7 (from June – December), or does it have to be 12? I didn’t have full year of operations in 2019 so divide it by 12 seems incorrect.

    1. Jessica – Did you show a profit in 2020? If so, why not apply based on 2020 net profit?

      I haven’t seen any guidance that specifically allows an independent contractor to apply based on prorated months in business. (There is a seasonal business calculation but since your business is not seasonal it doesn’t seem that would apply.)

      1. Thanks for your response Gerri. The reason I don’t want to use 2020 profit is my 1099 won’t arrive until early February 2021 and my 2020 tax return with schedule C won’t be completed until end of March. That would cut it too close to end of the PPP deadline. I read somewhere that applicants can use January and February 2020 info to populate a tentative schedule C and calculate average monthly payroll. Does that sound right?

        1. I haven’t seen that Jessica but there’s a lot of guidance that came out recently. I recognize this is going to be a problem for many business owners who want to use 2020 information.

          This is the latest guidance from the SBA on how to calculate and document loan amounts. Although it’s for second draw loans, calculating maximum loan amount works similarly for first and second draw loans except for the 3.5 for 72 NAICS code. (Unfortunately the way these comments appear I can’t see your previous question so I can’t remember if you were applying for a first or second draw loan.)

          If you use an accounting software program to log your income and expenses during the year then your 1099s can just verify that your income information is correct and you should be able to produce a tentative Schedule C. That’s one reason I’ve been strongly recommending business owners keep their books up to date during the year and not wait until tax time, though I understand that’s not how many work that way. I wish I had an easy solution for you! Have you talked to your accountant for advice on this?

  5. I am a independent insurance agent and I use my personal bank account for my business bank account as well. I started my application but it had a question/statement that asked that my business account did not include personal use which mine does. Will this prevent me from applying for a PPO loan? This is my first time applying.

    1. Cathy – Some lenders are requiring a business bank account for PPP. It’s something we’ve recommended from the first round and generally a good practice. If you are using bank statements to verify the drop in gross receipts (for second draw PPP) or for other verification a bank account that mixes business and personal expenses will be problematic.

  6. I am a sole proprietor of a small business. I own a salon and have no employees. I had a loss in 2019 on my schedule C and did not show a profit. I will show a small profit in 2020 on line 31 of my schedule C. I am in California and my salon was closed the majority of the year due to state mandated closures. I understand I can file as a seasonal business because of this. If reference income between the dates of February 15 of 2019 to February 15 of 2020 and pick my best 12 consecutive weeks they would have been in 2019. If I submit my 2019 tax return it will show a loss and I am afraid I will not be eligible even though my 2020 schedule C will show a profit. Can I submit my 2020 tax return showing a profit for 2020 online 31 of my schedule C but use a 12 week time period as a seasonal business in 2019 as the reference for my 12 week period for my seasonal business income?

    1. Melinda – Is this your first PPP loan? If so then you do not have to show the 25% reduction in receipts. You can apply based on your 2020 Schedule C net profit. The 25% reduction is only for second draw loans and based on the fact that you showed a loss last year I assume you didn’t get one previously.

  7. Hi Gerri!

    Quick question, if a multi-member partnership that was established back in 2019, had experienced a net loss for that year due to a large capital investment, how would they apply for a PPP loan? It’s confusing since schedule k for the partners show a loss for their 2019 return, do they automatically not qualify for the PPP loan or can the year of pandemic be used for the new application? Note that they had not applied last year , and it’s their first time applying for PPP.

  8. Hi there!
    I own a small consulting business with no employees. My primary client has lost funding over the last year and cannot pay me for the time being. They want to keep me on, but don’t know when their funding will be restored (if it will). Can I get a PPP loan to cover the %lost income? I won’t have $0 coming in, but I cannot cover my expenses. I’m looking, but there isn’t a ton of work in my area at the moment.


  9. Len
    Hello I own a building with 3 Apartments. Was not able to collect any rent for 2020 but paid all property bills. Would the EIDL be available to me?

  10. If you are self employed with an 1099, but you also have outside contractors with 1099 as well so how would you go about applying for the PPP if you didn’t apply for it last time? Need clairfication please?

    1. You cannot include any payments you make to 1099 contractors as payroll. They are not employees – they are contractors and can apply on their own.So if you don’t have any employees then apply using the instructions in this article for self employed no employees. As a first-time applicant you don’t have to demonstrate the reductions in gross receipts. You may apply based on 2019 or 2020 net profit Schedule C.

      1. Gerri I’m young I dropped out of 6th grade for reason that are difficult to explain, but my question is I worked doing house keeping I had a ad oN craigslist while back then I started help out the elderly I owe child support so I accepted mostly cash or visa gift cards BECAUSE THEY STARTED TAKING ALL MY MONEY OUT BANK A LEIN, I have no proof what they are asking for.. if you know how I can prove that I own my own side hussles business. SHOULD I PRINT A FORM OUT OR MAKE A SPREAD SHEET, WHAT PAPER WORK WOULD I NEED… I PRY SOMEONE CAN HELP ME I JIST LEARNED THAT WHEN U WORK KEEP PROFF BUT.LIKE I SAID I DIDNT HAVE ANYONE WHO COULD TEACH ME HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL BUT I LEARN QUICK THANKS.

        1. I’m sorry you’re having difficulty applying for PPP Janet. The SBA requires proof of payroll. A tax return with a Schedule C from 2020 can work but you’ll need report your income to the IRS on a Schedule C tax form (or at least received 1099s from those you worked for). If your income is all “under the table” or not reported to the IRS for taxes, as it sounds like yours is, I don’t believe you’ll be able to qualify for one of these relief loans. If you need more direct help with your business and available programs I suggest you contact your local SCORE or Small Business Development Center. They offer free mentors and many are providing help with these covid relief loans. You can find your local office here.

  11. I was a sole prop in 2019 and 2020, just changed my entity to LLC and filed for a new EIN. For round 2, do I use the old EIN or new?

    1. That’s a good question Katrina. I assume you have to use the current one but I would not be surprised if there are some hiccups because you have the new EIN. You may need to discuss with the lender.

  12. Your article states that for a self employed person with no employees, his IRS Form 1040 Schedule C line 31 must show a net profit amount to qualify for a PPP loan. But if he does have employees, and his Form 1040 Schedule C line 31 is less than zero, then it should be set at zero. Am I correct then that a small business with an employee will qualify for a PPP loan even if the business has a net loss for the applicable year? Thanks

    1. My understanding is they may qualify based on payroll for the employee even if the business showed a loss. The Schedule C net profit is a proxy for payroll for businesses with no employees (since they often don’t pay formal payroll). At least that’s my understanding!

  13. My job as a hospital nurse got eliminated last year due to covid after 20+ years. I started a home health agency July 24th but it took until now to get my license so I can hire & take on clients. Will I qualify for a PPP loan using a projected payroll since I do not have previous payroll info.

  14. My father has an llc for two commercial restaurant properties. He has not received rent from tenants since February due to pandemic even though tenants have received their PpP and other benefits. He is retired ans his income was baed on net profit from monthly rentals.. Since he does not pay myself via pyroll, he was denied the first ppp rouns application. Does he qualify this time around for PPP?

    1. PPP is based on payroll – both before and with the new round. Did he know that he may qualify based on Schedule C net profits?
      Also maybe he will be a better candidate for an EIDL loan or for the rental assistance in the stimulus bill. (I have not researched the latter.)

  15. Hi,
    I am a uber delivery driver. I reported my earnings for 2019. Am I qualified for the PPP loan? if yes, Where can I file to?

  16. Hello I’m a new LLC business with myself as the only employee that started in the beginning of 2020 and because of covid I had to put my business on hold how do I apply for a loan to help with start up funds.

  17. i am license holder for esthetician and i was self employed now i am not doing anything because of covid and i have no prof
    it there any possible to get ppp?

  18. im self employed im out of workn
    due to this covid 19 shit i have 3 children to support nothing is working for me i dont understand all this stuff it seems like i cant get help in any kind of way i havent gotten a stimulus check and barley got approved for snap bennifits this is so ridicklous im so depressed i dont know what to do anymore i cant get help from anything and my bills are steadly rolling in

  19. “if you have maximized expenses to the point where your business only shows a loss, you are likely not going to be able to qualify for the PPP loan”
    This is my situation what would be my next step or what would be the best option for me?

  20. Hi. I am self employed and I already filed my 2019 taxes but not schedule C.
    Can I still apply for PPP loan?

      1. I made around $27,000 from September to December and my Schedule C net profit was $315. And I got approved for $66 dollar PPP. Not sure why my net profit was only 315. I need an explanation. Thanks

      2. I am Self Employed and have a corporation, and a 2019 corporate tax return. I have a K1 return not schedule C. Can I still qualify for PPP? So many online applications do not allow for this.

  21. I am sole proprietor and had 1 employee when I applied for ppp funds and I now hired 1 full time and 1 part time employee. How do I use the money in 8 weeks and can I use any of money to compensate myself?

  22. Hi,
    I took over a business in beginning of December of 2019 as a sole proprietor so my schedule c only show for 1 months of income of $6,522. Is this mean I will get a loan of $16,305 cause $6,52×2.5=$16,305 or how they will calculate?

      1. Hello I started my business as a Tax Preparer I am the only employee I had my fees going into my PayPal account can that be used as my business bank account

      2. Hi,

        I started driving for Uber as an independent contractor in January 2020. Therefore, I have no business income for 2019 to file. I do have paperwork from Uber showing my monthly income from January until now. Can I still apply for a loan? If so, which loan?

  23. I’m a self-employed working as a taxicab driver but unfortunately because of inconsistencies in ridership, I incurred a loss in my business in 2019.

    I’m now in limbo for being ineligible for PPP loans that would keep my business afloat and put me in a right track as the process of reopening businesses is currently under way following their lockdowns caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.

    I’m wondering how I would get help to keep my business alive.

  24. I am self-employed and received funds from EIDL. However only $1,000 in advance is forgiven. I would like to apply for PPP (may be too late, but worth a try) to convert the EIDL loan to PPP. But I don’t know which lender to apply with. I am located in southern California. Bank of America requires to have a business account which I don’t. I only have personal account but do receive 1099 Misc. Thank you.

  25. I read the article for Self Employed qualifying for the PPP loan and am still unclear if I qualify. I am a Statutory Employee of a well known Fortune 100 Life Insurance Company. As such, I file a Schedule C reporting my income and expenses. Do I qualify?

    1. Unemployment does not stop you for applying from PPP. But if you get PPP and use it to pay yourself you’ll likely need to report those earnings during the applicable weeks to unemployment. Check with your state unemployment office.

  26. hello,
    Thank you so much for providing this info. I am a single member LLC owner. I applied in the first round of the PPP. During that time there was NOT a section for me to put my schedule C line 31. I was only given money for my 3 employees. I then applied for unemployment and just received a notice that will be getting money. However, I am so confused because I just read an article that you cannot get unemployment if you receive the PPP. But my PPP didn’t include any money for which I can pay myself! I’ve already received the PPP and money will be in my account any day for unemployment. Should I try to cancel the PPP loan I received from my bank and try to reapply to another bank to be able to include my self? I have some income still coming in but not enough to cover my bills and pay myself. Will that effect if I try to keep unemployement or will I just have to gove th unemployment back anyway because I got the PPP!

  27. I am self-employed. I have filled out the PPP form and have a 1099 and Schedule C.
    How do I submit myself since so many of the certified lenders are not handling the applications anymore?
    Please advise. Thanks.

    1. More lenders are accepting PPP applications from the self employed but the deadline at the moment is June 30, 2020 to get an approval number from the SBA. As a result some are stopping applications to ensure they meet that deadline.

  28. Am I understanding correctly that the EIDL fund is only loaning out 10,000 ???? What are small businesses suppose to do with that. Will the SBA consider loaning more money? I need a much larger loan than that. I’m self employed and in the Tent Rental Business Do Weddings mostly. Being that there are no groups more than 5 people their are no parties or weddings. Nothing. I cant afford this. I’m only one and half years in business. If I don’t get a loan real quick, I’m going to have to close.

  29. I’m the only employee under my Corp. To-date my earnings have not been impacted by COVID-19.

    I just want make sure- based on the PPP loan guidelines I am eligible to spend the PPP funds, correct?

  30. Question about “impacted” meaning.. I am an independent contractor (LLC), applied, was approved and recvd the loan. Was in a contract that ended naturally 3/31/20. I did get another contract (4/1) but a short term contract (6mo). With the slowdown I was very concerned as to what might happen with the contract and/or that I may not get another anytime soon—-basically very uncertain since things were changing almost daily. Still in the contract thankfully but wondering if this would cause an issue or appear as though I did not need to loan? The total amounts to a couple thousand more than 2 months of my payroll (which is only myself), so it’ll meet the 75% payroll requirement. Just wanted to know if there’s scrutiny for being in a contract (which can be cancelled at any time even during normal circumstances). Any idea?

    1. Laraine, guidance from the Treasury and SBA updated May 13, 2020 states: . Question: How will SBA review borrowers’ required good-faith certification concerning the necessity of their loan request?
      Answer: When submitting a PPP application, all borrowers must certify in good faith that “[c]urrent economic uncertainty makes this loan request necessary to support the ongoing operations of the Applicant.” SBA, in consultation with the Department of the Treasury, has determined that the following safe harbor will apply to SBA’s review of PPP loans with respect to this issue: Any borrower that, together with its affiliates, received PPP loans with an original principal amount of less than $2 million will be deemed to have made the required certification concerning the necessity of the loan request in good faith.

  31. Hi. I am an owner operator for a trucking company. I do have my corporation and i run my payroll. Am i qualify for the PPP. I do not have no employees and i am the only one in the company. And i do not have no other expenses no rent no utility nothing. Can you advise please. Thank you

  32. We received a PPP loan intend to use 75% or more on payroll costs, any guidance on how the SBA will review my balance sheet before after the 8 week period and determine my true need for the loan and whether my forgiveness was justified.

  33. I’m a independent contractor that started my business at the beginning of the year but was in operation before 2/14/20. How do I go about filling for the ppp loan? I do not have employees

    1. Lee – the SBA and Treasury have not yet released guidance for your situation. The best we can recommend is to contact your Senators or Representative in Washington DC to explain that you need this guidance in order to apply.

  34. I have a question about having more than 1 Schedule C for the PPP & EIDC applications. On my 2019 taxes, I filed 2 forms of income as self-employed (sole proprietor). 1st was a 1099-MISC from a company a work for as an Independent contractor. 2nd for my graphic design company. I filed a Schedule C for both, which do I use for my gross revenue and expenses for on the applications? Or do I combine both?

    1. Heather, I don’t think I’m qualified to accurately answer this question. You should consult with your tax advisor to get the answer to this question.

  35. I am a 1099 independent contractor , and I have always run my business through my personal checking account since 2004. My business expenses are low (generally below $5k/yr), and the IRS and my CPA have never had a problem with me using my personal checking account for business expenses. I applied for the PPP loan on Tuesday morning (5/5/2020), and received the wire of funds to my personal checking account the next day (5/6/2020). I only plan on using the PPP funds on payroll. For documentation, I plan to write myself a check from myself a pay check on May 15 of half the PPP funds. The pay check will be deposited straight back in to the same personal checking account. I plan to write myself another pay check on June 15 with the remainder of the PPP funds. Will keeping the cleared checks written as paychecks be sufficient documentation for forgiveness?

  36. I am a sole proprietor. I have no employees. I have received my full PPP loan request. Since I have no payroll do I have to follow the 75% rule which seems to be very prominent or do I only pay maybe self the calculated amount after I take my net from my 2019 schedule c and multiple by 8/52. When I do that calculation it does not equal 75% of my loan.

    Just curious what you think

  37. I operate as an independent contractor in the real estate services industry. When the PPP application process was opened to independent contractors on April 10th, the documents required at that time only included the 2019 1099-MISC form to show total wages/commissions earned. It wasn’t until the following week, April 14th, when the Form 1040 Schedule-C became a requirement. I submitted my application on the 10th and was approved the following day, the 11th, prior to the SBA Interim Final Rule. My loan was closed and funded without the additional documentation being required. While the total loan amount that I am/was eligible for would not have changed based on the difference between my 1099 and Schedule C amounts, I wanted to ask if my loan is still “good” and “acceptable” without ever having to submit the Schedule C, or will I need to submit this when it comes time to ask for forgiveness?

  38. I applied for PPP, was approved and got my funds. The question I have is, the lender approved me 4307 which is less than what I my business qualified for. My net gain for 2019 was 28017, so can I use all of 4307 on self employer profit payment, splitting it up over an 8 weeks, or do I have to use 75% towards paying myself and 25% towards rent? Also can I use the fund in less than 8 weeks or do I have to spread it out equally over 8 weeks?

    1. Alison – The calculation for PPP forgiveness for the self employed is in this document: Interim Final Rule. Look at page 4. It appears, at least from this guidance, they are just requiring the Schedule C from 2019 if you don’t have employees or payroll records.

  39. I would like to add to all the thank you’s for this helpful article and comments. I am in the same boat as Ryan, who posted yesterday that he received a $1,000 EIDL that was applied for a long time ago and came through the day after the PPP loan was funded. I’ve read elsewhere that having funds from both is acceptable if they are used for different things, i.e. the PPP money is replacing my net profit from Schedule C for 8 weeks, but the EIDL money is used to pay my home office mortgage/utilities expenses for some number of months. Perhaps that distinction only applies to EIDL loan funds beyond the grant? Or if I can document that I used (some of) the EIDL grant to pay for non-payroll expenses, does that keep (some of) it from being deducted from the PPP forgiveness amount? If so, how many months’ worth of those expenses are allowable? The same 2 months as PPP? The rest of 2020? I understand if no one has the answers to such specific situations yet, but I thought it couldn’t hurt to ask. Thank you!

    1. Hi Erik – I have been on numerous webinars with SBA personnel and SBDC advisors where they state it is fine to apply for both and that funds can be used for different purposes. It appears to be the case that business owners will have to subtract the EIDL advance (grant) from PPP for forgiveness purposes. So you may get $1000 less forgiven from PPP, but other than that it appears you just have to use each for acceptable purposes which we did our best to describe this article:
      FAQs about applying for EIDL and this article:

    2. Hi
      Im a business owner with one employee. I applied to both EIDL and PPPL loans.
      I got 1, 000 and my banknote said SB Treasury on April 20 is that EIDL? Was that just an advance or was that the EIDL loan that they are giving me?
      My PPP loan, that was approved last week and I did the Application on April 8. So, I couldn’t ask for that to be forgiven. What will happen?
      When my bank gave me that laughable amount of a loan, I started to question why my line 31 income wasn’t added. She just said I can only ask for payroll amount. X that by 2.50 Is That true?
      I have a friend with a business and asked for the amount she wanted and got it. She said the payroll didn’t come up to the amount she asked for but the bank gave it to her on top of another 30,000 she asked for, she got three times more then what she paid for payroll to her employees while I got exactly 2.50 x whatever my part-time employee payroll is. Nothing less and nothing more.
      Did my bank do my application wrong Or they just give me what they think could be forgiven?
      I just don’t understand? Could it be that she asked for extra money and the bank approved that and whatever she uses will be forgiven, only if she use it on employees, rents, utilities, and etc that could be forgiven? She thinks otherwise. She said, they will forgive all the money she asked for.
      Im so lost and confuse with everything and no one can help me answer these questions.
      I don’t even know if there’s anything else I can do anyways, now that the funds are in my bank. I feel that there isn’t much help for us. Why didn’t SBA made it clear to banks to inform us that, we could ask for extra money and on top of it all we can in turn ask SBA for most of the loans to be forgiven, if used on employee and etc. thats listed.
      My bank said nothing like that to me. They just said, I can only apply for the amount to be forgiven.
      What are your thoughts on my questions and concerns?
      Thank you
      I hope you can give me an answer that no one seems to know.

      1. The $1000 from SBA may have been your grant if you are the only employee. It does appear they are just depositing those funds without any additional information.

        For PPP if you file as self employed with employees then there is a very specific calculation for your loan amount. Did you apply a while back? If so it may have been before that guidance came out. At any rate you can read it in the Treasury guidance on how to calculate PPP amounts by business type. You may need to share that with your lender if you believe they are not calculating your loan amount correctly.

  40. Thanks for the article. When I applied on 4/10 I wasn’t told to specifically use, from my Schedule C, Line item #31 – which would have been helpful. I gave line item # 7 gross income. Thinking that my expense’s that would be covered under the PPP are paid from gross sale and are used as deductions not from my net profit. Anyway, I am self-employed -1099, no employees with a LLC since I have no employees am I able to just use all the funds for payroll, to keep it simple? I am well below the $100,000 annualized, so I’m hoping to keep it simple and have the loan be forgiven. Thoughts?

    1. Jack – You’ll apply for forgiveness in the future with the lender and they’ll require you to submit acceptable documentation. Keep in mind everyone is currently waiting for further guidance about forgiveness from the SBA and Treasury.

      It appears they are limiting forgiveness for Schedule C filers to 8/52 of net profit – plus (not clear) certain qualified expenses. Details can be found in the SBA supplement to the Interim Final Rule (self-employed). You may want to review it and talk with your lender about returning any excess funds. There is no prepayment penalty if you repay early.

      1. Thanks – scary to think that they are giving out loans but all the information in not clear. I just got my documents today to sign. Only had small window and couldn’t call U.S. Bank as they only want email correspondence. Hope for the best and plan for the worst I guess.

  41. I got the PPP money (5/1)once the second round opened, but applied for EIDL in round one but did not get funds or they ran out. I got just got the EIDL 5/4 today 1K and not sure what to do honestly. I am a sole member so it is just me and do not want to mess it up.

  42. I am going to receive a small PPP loan. I am a 1099 independent worker. I work from home and don’t really have many expenses. When I applied for the loan I provided my 1099 from 2019, plus I added by health insurance information. My question is what documentation will I need to submit so my loan will be forgiven, besides my 1099 from 2019?

    Thank you.

  43. I am self employed with NO employees.
    It’s just me. Do I say that I have 1 employee or 0 employees? There is NO clear answer in ALL articles I’ve researched. So frustrating not finding the answer.. HELP. Can anyone answer this question with certainty?

  44. Do I qualify if I just started my business this year and had to shut down due to Covid-19?

    1. Loretta – If you started your business by February 15, 2020 you are technically eligible but if you file Schedule C to report your business income the IRS hasn’t released any guidance for determining how much you qualify. The best I can advise is to contact your elected officials in DC for help as this is a federal program.

  45. I am self employed; no employees otherwise. I submitted my application along with my 2018 schedule C. Have not filed 2019 yet. I realize now that I estimated my monthly earnings based on gross profits.
    Since they approved my loan and provided a fixed amount, am I to believe they reviewed the application and determined the loan amount regardless of my mistake? Your thoughts; recommendations? Thanks!

    1. Rick – I don’t know. The best I can say is to contact the lender. You should try to get your 2019 taxes done as soon as possible though as your 2019 Schedule C line 31 is the amount you are supposed to use to qualify and it can affect your loan forgiveness eligibility.

  46. I am self employed and have a Net Income from Sch C of 95,000
    In addition I have Payroll of 5.000
    and Group Health Insurance of around 24,000
    I went through bank of America and just got approved for $1000
    The SBA decided to only use my payroll and completely ignored my Net Income and Group Health Insurance
    Total Scam

  47. Wow, what a shame, disqualified if you were in the negatives, even though I can show I was only in the negatives because of paying off the business in less than year. Well guess it was a good 10 months while it lasted.

  48. I’m a self-employed Uber and lyft driver. I’m getting unemployment. Can I also apply for PPP loan? Since it’s a loan. Will there be any issues? I looked all over and can’t find anything that says we can’t get both.

  49. I started a new business (sole proprietor) Jan 2020. It is a profitable business with long term agreements with my customers. I have no tax documentation for the business. I have no employees, beside myself. My payroll is essentially the deposits into my checking account. I have applied already but was told I was too late for the first round. I got a response when I applied for the second round that I was basically declined with no conversation with anyone that I could discuss my situation with.

    Do I have any options?

    1. Marlon,

      The SBA has not issued guidance about how to calculate PPP eligibility for those who are self employed, file Schedule C and started their business in 2020. I’d imagine lenders just don’t know how to process that given the SBA hasn’t issued any guidance. I’d suggest you reach out to your elected officials in Washington and let them know the problem you’re experiencing trying to apply, as this is a federal program.

  50. I am an independent insurance broker who gets paid 1099’s under my social security number. Am I able to apply for the loan? If yes how to I prove that I used it toward payroll?

  51. I just applied over weekend fir second round and 1st round said qualify second the lending companies say if don’t make 8000 a month an independent contractor doesn’t qualify. This is garbage big business is getting money left and right. This is fir us the small people that are the backbone of our community.

    1. Shel – Did you try another lender? Some are taking self-employed applications for lower amounts. Fill out the form at to be matched to a lender. No guarantees but it’s worth a try!

  52. I did the entire application process, and then toward the end, it asks for payroll documents, which i do not normally use since I am self employed. I don’t use any payroll service. I did the calculation just as it shows above. The amounts were substantial. the only thing I was missing was some kind of IRS documents that had to do with estimated payments for taxes, which I did not ever use. I have not filed my 2019 taxes yet, but I even supplied my bank statements, etc… and I basically was told if I could not supply those documents I was just S.O.L.

    I am so frustrated and frankly -very angry -that i am being cheated out of nearly 20K. I am certainly very qualified.

    What is your recommendation. The rep that replied to me basically told me – THAT’s fine I will just withdraw your app. He showed ZERO interest in helping me get anything done.

    1. Nathan, according to the SBA you will need the documents outlined within this article in order to submit an application as someone who is self-employed. Otherwise, your lender will have no way to help you determine your loan amount. It’s not necessary that that you have filed your taxes to apply, but you will likely need to have them put together. If you file a 1040-C, you will qualify based upon the profits reflected there.

    2. Nathan, I’m sorry to hear of your experience with your lender. We know a number of borrowers who applied as self employed. Have you applied elsewhere? We’ve been recommending borrowers apply with multiple lenders to see who is able to help them first.

      1. I received approval for ppp loan, but I only applied for the amount to cover my employees’ paychecks. Can I apply for a separate ppp loan for myself as a sole proprietor who files 1040 schedule C? I know you can only use tax ID once, can I use my SSN to apply? Thank you!

  53. My line 31 schedule C is not completely accurate since I started my company in July, 2019, It is only 1/2 the year….do I just divide by 6 instead if 12 to determine the monthly rate?

  54. Thanks so much for the article. It was very informative. I am self employed and took a loss on my 2019 taxes so it’s saying I’m not able to apply. This virus is affecting my business as things are slowing down tremendously. Why can’t self employed people apply if they took a loss?

  55. Hello and thanks so much for the guidance and webinars! I was hoping to apply for a PPP, but am discouraged by your statement above that if my business and personal expenses are co-mingled, then I’m not a good candidate.

    I can clearly demonstrate my income with the 2019 Schedule C, but as a freelance writer/illustrator working from home, all my income goes straight into a joint checking account [shared with my husband,] and is used for household expenses. I do not pay myself a ‘salary,’ but my income is necessary to paying our bills.

    Is it worth my effort to apply??

  56. 941 & 940 have 2019 but in 2020 I don’t start payroll . I withdrawal each partner from llc wholesale home base business. How can show 2020 . Already applied ppp and sba need 2020 busines 941 1st quarter.

  57. When filing for sole proprietor do we count our self as 1 employee or do we put 0 in the box for number of employees? I AM THE ONLY ONE WORKING IN MY BUSINESS. Do I say 1 for me or 0. Anyone? Bueller, Bueller, Bueller

  58. I was babysitting in my home and was getting paid cash can I apply for the loan and would I qualify for the loan?

  59. I own rental property and have 8 k-1’s on my return. My gross adjusted income is 85k. Do I use this number to apply? The application is confusing because they ask for a company name not a personal name. Can you assist me? I’m kind of confused

    1. Susan, PPP qualification is based on payroll. I haven’t seen any guidance specific to owners of rental properties but an email from the SBA dated April 6, 2020 states, “Only payroll costs in the form of salary, wages, tips, etc. are eligible for the PPP program. Owner draws, distributions, amounts recorded on a K-1 are not eligible for the PPP program.” That’s not official guidance from the SBA Administrator though. I’d recommend you talk to a tax professional familiar with these programs.

  60. Hello Gerri ~

    I believe that, as of today, 2020-04-22, there is something on the SBA’s PPP application that is misleading at best, and at worst, will be causing eligible people to conclude they are not, or be incorrectly rejected.

    There is a section called CERTIFICATIONS, where the applicant must initial their agreement to about eight different statements, including this (CAPITALIZATION is mine):
    “_____ The Applicant was in operation on February 15, 2020 and HAD EMPLOYEES for whom it paid salaries and payroll taxes OR PAID INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS, as reported on Form(s) 1099-MISC.”

    Is this correct? I have sent this question to many, and received one substantive reply, from an accountant. She agrees it is flawed, for multiple reasons:
    1) The requirement of having employees is supposed to only apply to corporations.
    2) With #1 not clarified, how many sole proprietors with no (other) employees will conclude they are indeed their OWN EMPLOYEE, which you are required to affirm to qualify — and how many pay themselves a salary?
    3) The whole part that starts with “OR…” is no longer in effect.

    I have sent this to many folks, and I’m surprised more people aren’t outraged. There are desperate people looking for help, and this erroneous info is on the OFFICIAL APPLICATION from SBA. This could easily cause qualified folks to not submit the app, or submit with an answer that causes immediate, incorrect rejection.


    1. Doug – You are not alone in noting these discrepancies. That language came from the CARES Act itself. The SBA guidance subsequently said that you cannot include 1099 contractors in your payroll (unless of course you are a contractor applying for yourself.)

      It’s not the only discrepancy. For example, the CARES Act stated that you use the most recent 12 months of payroll, then the application said 2019 payroll, then the SBA came out and said you can use either…

      Let your elected officials in Washington know!

    2. Doug,
      I totally agree with you!! I have just submitted my concerns on here too.
      I have asked questions after question and I get The minimum, while all these big companies and people asking extra money and getting it!! This is all wrong and nobody knows what they are doing!!

  61. I own a small salon that has other self employed people that pay me to rent a chair. I am currently collecting unemployment for what I pay myself. Can I still apply for help With the rent of the building and utilities (for the salon)?

    1. PPP is primarily for payroll so it gets tricky. It appears you need to limit those costs to 25% of your loan for forgiveness purposes. I’d suggest talking to a tax professional if you want to go that route. Have you applied for EIDL? It may be a better fit for what you need. (Congress needs to authorize more funds for both programs but that will hopefully happen this week.)

  62. My Schedule “C” Line 31 shows a loss due to some equipment purchases I made and took the Sec 179 deduction. Am I out of luck for PPP or is there some provision to allow adding depreciation back into the net profit calculation? Thanks.

  63. I own 2 separate businesses. Both are Sub S Corps. I do not take a salary but report income at the end of the tax year. I can’t qualify for the PPP for the corporations so what can I do? Also the 2019 taxes for both will not be done until September. Thank you.

  64. My bookkeeper has not yet done our 2019 taxes yet, due to illness. Can I use my 2018 retutn? I am a small florist trying to do everything myself and am quickly losing my 30 year old business and need immediate help. It is the sole support of my family. What can I do,? It’s all too confusing with so many options.

    1. The SBA is specific in its recent guidance that you must use Line 31 from your 2019 Schedule C. You don’t have to file it your 2019 return but you must complete it. I’m so sorry – can you find someone else to help you? Use an online accounting program? Round 2 of PPP (if funding is approved by Congress) could go quickly as well. Alternatively have you looked into Pandemic Unemployment Assistance? That may be an alternative though the amount for which you may be eligible may be different.

  65. Are applications here with Nav still valid even if funds are currently unavailable? I mean, if funds become available again, will our application here be submitted for funding?

    1. Yes Nav will continue to match borrowers to lenders while waiting for Congress to authorize more funding. Be sure to check your email as you may have been matched to a partner. If you’re not sure, reach out to our Customer Service department.

  66. As I read through this I didn’t see if when filing for sole proprietor if we count our self as 1 employee or if we put 0 in the box for number of employees. I am the only one working in my business. Do I say 1 for me or 0?

    1. I agree with Melanie. The Q and A are not clear. I too don’t understand if I am considered 1 as an employee or if because it’s just me in my little business I’m employee 0.

      It’s also still unclear on how to calculate these funds being used for payroll. I AM the payroll. It’s just me. Reading over this just gets me frustrated.. Anyone know that answer to Melanie’s question

      As I read through this I didn’t see if when filing for sole proprietor if we count our self as 1 employee or if we put 0 in the box for number of employees. I am the only one working in my business. Do I say 1 for me or 0?

      1. Victoria, I’m sorry it’s confusing. You are the only employee in your business correct? Then it’s 1. And you file Schedule C? Then according to the SBA SBA supplement to the Interim Final Rule you use the net profit from your business line Schedule C line 31 to calculate the loan amount. See page 6 of that document I just linked to. Unfortunately I don’t know what lender’s application you’re trying to complete so I am not sure what exactly they are asking.

  67. Thank you for posting this helpful info. My bank’s PPP application required proof of payroll (the purpose of my application is to recover some of my income – not for mortgage or utilities) , but I don’t have a payroll. I am a sole proprietor – I own a photo studio in NYC, and it’s just me – I have no employees. As such, I have never kept an official payroll. Am I legally required to have been doing so, and will this prevent me from receiving funds?

    1. Hi, i am very concerned that I missed out already the deadline of applications of financial relief of any kind because of confusing answers from the banks and accounts. I was told that I can’t apply PPP because I am self-employed, owner of a home-based business that provides therapeutic/medical & spa massages. However, two weeks ago I applied as directed by the bank to with DIEL which I still did not hear anything from SBA through email. The funding just got approved today, April 24, 2020. I found out that I should have applied for PPP. Can I still do it? Where and how? Please help me . I need directions. Thank you. I appreciate your valuable assistance as I planned to provide therapeutic medical massages to the Veterans that the government military insurance covers the treatments now.

      1. Congrats for getting approved for EIDL! You can apply for both PPP and EIDL. The self-employed application for PPP opened up later than the one for other types of businesses. You can certainly try your bank and you can fill out a QuickConnect form with Nav (just go to to be matched to lenders making PPP loans. We recommend you do so quickly. When you get matched to a lender make sure you fill out their full application asap. Funding will open Monday and it’s expected to go quickly.